Talk:The Joker (Heath Ledger)
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[edit] Quote
Reccently, people have kept changing the quote at the top of the page. I originally had it as "This town deserves a better class of criminal...and I'm gonna give it to them!" it was then changed to "...and I thought my jokes were bad" and now it is "why so serious?" Which of those is the best? --Lord EggHead (No, I am your father!) 00:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I am admin here and think the original quote is best so whoever changed it don't change it again.
Doomlurker 18:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Real name
How is his real name hinted to be Melvin White? --Lord EggHead (No, I am your father!) 13:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
- well? --Lord EggHead (No, I am your father!) 18:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- I would have responded earlier, but the thing was glitching up. Anyways, right after they re-combine the "Dirty Bullet" to it's complete whole by Sound technology (as well as testing the shells to see which bullet holes match), they are tracing the DNA to suspects, when they had narrowed it down to 4, Alfred mentioned a "Melvin White" as being the likely suspect, as well as giving the apartment number he lives at. after Bruce locates the room, he doesn't locate the Joker. What he DOES find, however, is the REAL Honor guards tied up, gagged, blindfolded, and their uniforms stolen, and that the window was rigged to have the police shoot at the apparant assassin, while the REAL Joker is among the "Honor Guards" who then proceeds to shoot the Mayor, with Gordon taking the shots. Basically, that entire scene implied that the Joker's identity was Melvin White.
- If the Joker has a record, why couldn't the GCPD ID him? I think Melvin White was one of his thugs. 71.217.5.241 02:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
- Well, sometimes DNA tests (especially without more advanced equipment) are inconclusive. In Stargate, the DNA matching technique when trying to find out who shot Senator Kinsey [as Colonel O'Neill was arrested for the act, and was framed], when they tried to analyze his DNA, it didn't even match the results, and the only one that did was a former NID agent, which means that they couldn't identify it with their technology (I'm guessing Batman's computer was far more advanced, seeing how it's the Bat Computer.) Even if Melvin White was just one of his thugs, considering how he himself posed as one of his own thugs in at least one point of his criminal career (Bozo, remember?), it can easily be assumed that his Henchmen can also be the same as the Joker.
- I meant, why couldn't the GCPD ID Joker's fingerprints? I doubt it's because only Batman can find "Joker's" records. And it dosen't seem like something the film makers would have even hinted at revealing. 71.231.130.121 20:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
- More evidence against Melvin White being identity: White had been convicted of aggravated assault and moved to Arkham twice. He would have a record, mugshot, he would be on file (and was, which is how Batman pinpointed him), while the Joker was never ID in TDK's timeframe. 71.231.130.121 20:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
My opinion is that the Joker used someone else to load the gun in case Batman or someone else tried to identify the bullet for fingerprints. The Joker wears gloves all the time, anyway, right? So I think someone else loaded the gun, someone with an apartment overlooking the parade and had marks against him in Arkham. As for not being identifiable by the GCPD... Well, one conclusion is that he never put his prints or dental records on file. Another could be he hacked the systems and removed them. The final might be that he burned his fingerprints off. That's possible, I believe. Aerandir 15:02, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Alias: Bozo
That comes from the novel. It's his callsign during the bank robbery. As in Bozo the Clown. Because he can't go by The Joker. 71.217.5.241 16:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Already developed "Joker Poison" by TDK's timeline
I'm not talking about whatever Loeb's glass was laced with either. In TDK's novelization, shortly after Joker has first met the crimelords, Sal Maroni hires a private investegator to discover who Joker is. Several weeks later, the PI comes back to Maroni completely disheveled and asks if Maroni didn't just imagine Joker, because there is nothing on him, like he came out of nowhere. Then the PI begins laughing hysterically and dies in the middle of a restaurant. Maroni finds out the PI had been poisoned by some herb from out in "China, Tibet, Korea, one of those places" (he's indifferent to remembering where exactly). So I think some of Scarecrow's new drug was tampered with, and created the Joker posion. 63.64.127.64 18:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
- You think. what is the proof? How do you know that Scarecrow's drug was made from herbs in those countries? --Lord EggHead (No, I am your father!) 01:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
- Because Scarecrow's "New Drug" was most likely the fear toxin from the original movie (it was implied that it was fear toxin due to the fact that the customer in the Chechen's gang who used it was almost a nervous wreck [and even he himself hinted at it being the fear toxen, since he said "I said that this Drug takes them places, I didn't necessarily say that they were places they wanted to go! hahaha!"), and the Fear Toxen, as revealed in Batman Begins, was made from the blue flower in China/Tibet that Bruce Wayne, under the League of Shadow's tutelidge, delivered to their headquarters on foot, as part of a test of worthyness.
[edit] That Ledger's image
People, that image of Ledger's makeup test is fake. It's altered. Don't put it there.
[edit] The Joker out of makeup
Canonical appearance of the character out of makeup, and not just Ledger BTS. As you all know, the Joker appeared without makeup during Loeb's memorial service. Can this be added to article?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/2764434421_b871a0a482.jpg?v=0
http://www.beersteak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/heath-ledger-joker-02.jpg 71.217.5.241 20:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Rewrite
I'm starting the rewrite now. Article sections will be preserved by multiple saves, and not everything will by changed. --Lygris 17:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
